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Washington Post — April 18, 2023
An intellectual battle rages: Is the U.S. in a proxy war with Russia?
Vladimir Putin says the West is trying to ‘finish’ Russia. The Biden administration denies the accusation. But leaked documents reveal the extent of U.S. involvement in the Ukraine fight.
By Karen DeYoung [Excerpts]
Three days before the Feb. 24 anniversary of his Ukraine invasion, Vladimir Putin outlined what he had learned during a year of war. With its ever-increasing supply of sophisticated weapons, Putin said, the West was now using Ukraine as a “testing range” for its plans to destroy Russia.
Its goal was “to spark a war in Europe, and to eliminate competitors by using a proxy force,” he said in a presidential address. “They plan to finish us once and for all.”

Putin has come a long way since the morning of the invasion, when he outlined a brief “special military operation” that would permanently rescue breakaway regions of Ukraine — Crimea and part of the eastern Donbas region — from the “humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime” during the previous eight years of low-level conflict.
“It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force,” he said in remarks that now seem almost quaint in light of a brutal war to retain and expand Ukrainian territory now occupied by its troops.
But Putin’s more recent depiction of a Western-provoked war threatening Russia’s very existence has resonated, particularly in the Global South, where some countries see the United States engaged in what they consider serial interventions around the world, and have declined to take sides.
Whether Ukraine has become a “proxy” war between great powers has itself become an intellectual and political battlefield. The word has a dictionary definition — a person or entity authorized to act for another. More popularly, it has come to mean sending someone else to do your own dirty work.
Scores of images recently leaked online, many with classified U.S. military and intelligence assessments, illustrate how deeply the United States is involved in virtually every aspect of the war, with the exception of U.S. boots on the ground.
. . . The leaked documents confirm in detail that the United States is using its vast array of espionage and surveillance tools — including cutting-edge satellites and signals intelligence — to keep Kyiv ahead of Moscow’s war plans and help them inflict Russian casualties.
But Biden officials adamantly reject the proxy label, noting that it is a defensive war Ukraine didn’t start and that Kyiv is fighting for its very survival. While the United States has a legitimate interest in the outcome, and a legal right to provide aid requested by another sovereign government, Ukraine is running operations on the ground.
“This is a war of choice by Putin,” Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said in an interview. “We are not in a war with Russia, and we won’t be in a war with Russia. … It was Russia’s choice to begin with.”
That may be true, but the administration has given Ukraine more than $40 billion in military and economic aid, along with real-time targeting assistance and sophisticated weapons systems on which it has trained Kyiv’s forces.
Some domestic critics of Biden’s policy openly echo Putin’s charge, if not necessarily his professed assessment that the Western goal is to eliminate Russia. Donald Trump, in a recent presidential campaign video, called the war a “proxy battle” and said the Biden administration was only “pretending to fight for freedom.” Instead, he said, Biden “globalists” were using it to distract Americans “from the havoc they’re creating right here at home.”
In a tweet last month, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) called the war “ridiculous” and said Russia poses no danger to the United States or its NATO allies. “We are paying for … a proxy war with Russia, when I’ve never seen Putin actually show in any detail his plans to invade Europe,” she added. “I don’t believe the lies that I’m being told about this.”
Although he later called Putin a “war criminal,” Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), an undeclared presidential contender, evinced a similar strain of isolationism during a February appearance on “Fox & Friends.” “I don’t think it’s in our interest to be getting into a proxy war with China, getting involved over things like the borderlands or over Crimea,” DeSantis said. While some conservatives slam what House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has called Biden’s “blank check” for Ukraine, others think the president has been too restrained in doling out enough aid for Ukraine to defeat the Russians. . . .
The administration itself has provided rhetorical grist for Putin’s proxy portrayal. “We want to see Russia weakened” so that it can never invade another country again, Austin said early in the conflict. At a NATO summit in Madrid last June, Biden said Americans should be prepared to pay higher energy and gasoline prices “for as long as it takes” to defeat Russia, a phrase he has subsequently used in nearly every statement since then about Western aid for Ukraine. While insisting there will be no U.S. or NATO troops in Ukraine, he has said the war must end in a “strategic failure” for Russia.
“Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia. Never,” Biden said as he marked the anniversary of the war’s beginning during a visit in February to Kyiv.
Most Western allies agree. “Whose proxy is Putin? It’s a war of occupation,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said in an interview during a recent Washington visit. “We [must] stop it once and for all. And then, we can create the actual architecture for the whole continent — that includes Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia and keeping everybody safe,” Landsbergis said.
Landsbergis is not alone in professing an expansive goal for the war in Ukraine. Virtually every Western partner — collectively having pledged upward of $80 billion to the war effort — has called not just for Kyiv’s victory but for Putin’s defeat. While the battle rages on the ground, international law and conflict scholars have fiercely debated whether it constitutes a proxy war. The short answer: it depends on how the term is defined. “Unfortunately for those who like their strategic concepts to be as precise as the best modern weaponry, ‘proxy wars’ lacks an agreed meaning and is used in different ways,” Lawrence Freedman, professor emeritus of war studies at King’s College London, wrote in a January essay published in Britain’s New Statesman.
“The basic idea is that you get someone else to do your fighting for you,” wrote Freedman, who argued that the concept did not apply to Ukraine.
But Hal Brands, a professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies, has said that is precisely what the United States and its allies are doing in Ukraine. “Russia is the target of one of the most ruthlessly effective proxy wars in modern history,” he wrote in an opinion column for Bloomberg shortly after the war began.
“The key to the strategy is to find a committed local partner — a proxy willing to do the killing and dying — and then load it up with the arms, money and intelligence needed to inflict shattering blows on a vulnerable rival,” Brands wrote. “That’s just what Washington and its allies are doing to Russia today.”
More recently, as the brutality of the war has increased, and after Ukraine scored some victories, Brands seems to have been won over, at least to the concept that a world in which Russia emerges victorious is a danger to all. “If nothing else,” he wrote for Bloomberg early this year, “this war has illustrated what a world without American power would look like, and what it looks like when America uses that unmatched power well.”
“A Ukraine left to its own devices would have quickly succumbed to President Vladimir Putin’s invasion,” he wrote. “It would now be suffering show trials, the execution and imprisonment of its leaders, and harsh punishment of anyone who resisted Russian rule.” The United States didn’t “find” and enlist Ukraine to fight Russia, and it certainly doesn’t tell it what to do, according to Freedman. “The Ukrainian government sets the objectives, and Ukrainian commanders are in charge of the operations.” Most important, U.S. and NATO goals are defensive — protecting their own eastern flank from Russian expansion and ensuring that territorial gains cannot be won by force — rather than offensive. At the same time, NATO has a legitimate “interest in an act of blatant aggression being thwarted,” he wrote.
Others apply a more technical explanation, noting that U.S. support for the Nicaraguan Contras under the Reagan administration in the 1980s — including U.S. assistance in the creation and active supply of a nonstate force, overflying Nicaragua’s territory and covertly mining its harbors to overthrow the Sandinista government — was a classic proxy war. The International Court of Justice found in 1986 that the U.S. harbor-mining and other activities had breached international law.
U.S. support for Afghan mujahideen fighters against the occupying Soviet Union during the Cold War in the 1980s is widely considered a proxy conflict, as was backing for Libyan dissidents who overthrew the government of Moammar Gaddafi during the Obama administration. Regardless of its rationale for supporting Ukraine, the United States has made some useful gains in assessing Russia’s military capabilities, if only in seeing how a country that it defines as an “acute threat” operates in combat.
“I thought they would do better at combined arms maneuver than they did,” Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in an interview, speaking of the early days of the invasion. “But they were just stumbling around.” . . .
The leaked Pentagon documents reveal substantial Russian weaknesses, including the decimation of elite forces on the front lines — and show that U.S. officials have been able to glean an extraordinary level of information about Russian operations, for example being able to count how many missiles are being loaded onto bombers and, in some cases, where they intend to strike targets in Ukraine.
But the Western allies have had their own problems, notably in keeping up a steady flow of weaponry and ammunition for Ukraine.
“We don’t have a country on wartime mobilization for industry,” Milley said. “The lesson really is sustainment rates. What does that mean to us? We are very deliberately reevaluating our own stockage levels and industrial base relative to the war plans we have on the books for various contingencies,” including a potential conflict with China. . . .
As they focus on the war confronting them, many U.S. and Western leaders, while reluctant to voice it publicly, say they are convinced that workable relations with Russia can never be reestablished as long as Putin is in power. But that does not mean, they say, that Putin is correct that their goal is to “finish” Russia.
“The last thing we need is Russia fragmenting and the fate of all those nuclear weapons being uncertain,” former U.S. defense secretary and CIA director Robert M. Gates said recently. “We need a coherent Russian state, and we need a strong government in Moscow.”
U.S. aid has increased considerably this year as Ukrainian forces prepare to launch what is considered a crucial counteroffensive this spring. Asked what happens if Ukraine doesn’t succeed in pushing back Russian front lines and reclaiming significant territory, the Pentagon’s top official deflected. . . .
Karen DeYoung is associate editor and senior national security correspondent for The Post. In more than three decades at the paper, she has served as bureau chief in Latin America and in London and as correspondent covering the White House, U.S. foreign policy and the intelligence community.
History. Let’s remember than Hillary Clinton’s “defense” team prior to the 2016 election, which included Victoria Nuland, Michele Flournoy and a whole range of current Biden appointees, were actively and openly planning for confrontation and potential war with Russia seven years ago.
Nuland and Biden plotted the 2014 coup, chose the next President, the pro-Nazi Protopenko, and immediately started providing arms and training to the Azov Battalion, Ukrainian Nazis (who turned around to train American Nazis, including the leaders of the Charlottesville riots. Thats where they go their slogan “Jews will not replace us”.) The arming and training was roundly condemned by 100%! of House Democrats led by John Conyers, who tried to cut off the funding (without success). In 2019, 40 leading House Democrats led by Congressman Max Rose called on the State Department to list the Azov Battalion alongside ISIS as international terrorist organizations.
U.S. advisors likely helped direct the Ukrainian bombing of their own people in the Donetsk region, all well before 2022.
Proxy war? Since 2014.
P.S. Have we forgotten the “top secret’ documents from 2014-2016 “found” at the Penn-Biden Center? 10 current senior Biden appointees worked at the Center.
I believe the fundamental problem is there is not universal application and enforcement of the rule of international law. Until the law applies equally to the USA, PRC, Russian Federation, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and every other country, there will be armies, militias (e.g., Sudan), and aggression.
As a pacifist, I want to help prevent violence before it happens. But part of prevention has to enforcement of laws, even to those who want to be considered above the law, that will hold individuals responsible for violence to account.
The USA likes to position itself as the Global Cop, but we are just as corrupt and as violent as the Portland Police Bureau, the LA County Sherif, or the NYPD.
The “Founding Fathers” did not want us to have a standing army and the only way to be able to defang the Military-Industrial Complex is to have a real International Court system with a means to enforce and arrest evil doers, like Putin, GWB, Cheney, et. al. That means doing away with Sovereign Immunity.
This is a spiritual and a moral effort and I do not believe we as a Society can have an effective Peace Testimony without consideration for how we will wage peace and not only prevent violent conflict, but bring them to an end when they occur.
Wars are pretty stupid activity. Now the but, if you get punched in the nose and kicked in the nuts you have to fight back.
the west is not blameless. the Russians long resented nato expansion to east.