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NCYM’s Future: Conversation With A Younger Friend

<< But I also want the full Gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ to be preached to the people in this world who are broken like me. I want to tell them where to find love, healing, and salvation like I found it. >>

So tell them. Has anybody busted into your church while you were preaching and made you shut up?

Didn’t think so. But if “preaching the full gospel” means getting rid of or silencing everybody whose views about that are different from yours, or those of your favorite preacher, well, then that’s a problem. Because it isn’t going to happen. (That’s also not the “full” gospel.)

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NC Quakers & “Options”: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly

Is there a future for North Carolina Yearly Meeting (FUM)?

When its Representative Body gathers on Saturday August 1, the formal agenda will focus in deciding among a series of options.

The Options list is long, and — who knows — may get longer in the next 24 hours. Further, besides the specific list now on tap, there is another one which isn’t there, but is, namely “None Of The Above.”

Indeed, that was the clear choice at the previous session on June 6, when three “options” were debated. After several hours, the Clerk himself declared there was nothing approaching a groundswell for any of them, no unity, no consensus.

Viewed with detachment, the finding of “no unity” was a perfectly workable outcome. Viewed theologically, from the traditional understanding that the divine will is disclosed in Quaker process, no unity is as clear a message as is unanimity for specific action. The message then is: Stop. Don’t make change. Wait.

There’s plenty of precedent in Quaker history for this: in Philadelphia, controversy over outlawing slavery took decades to resolve. Later, the move to permit paid pastors lasted many years, and is not universal even today. Numerous other examples could be cited.

For that matter, on June 6, the NCYM Faith & Practice was still in place; the YM office was functioning; member payments were coming in. There was no real deadline for decision; the doomsday predictions had not come to pass. The sky would not fall.

But this outcome was intolerable to those who had come to the session determined to purge and plunder. There had to be a decision, they insisted, presumably in time to be ratified somehow at the annual sessions, which are held the first weekend of September.

An account of this long, difficult session is here.

So the Clerk yielded and called a special Representative session for August 1.

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North Carolina Yearly Meeting: On The Brink

NCYM is NOT a “hopelessly divided YM.” Rather, it is a body that currently includes a handful of discontented meetings.

The spokespeople for the discontented meetings say that some other meetings, whose views they dislike, must be purged. Failing that, the discontented ones have vowed to leave . . . .

The targeted meetings, and several others, have declared that they intend to stay, and have rejected a purge. I don’t know the future, but I doubt the targeted meetings will suddenly just roll over on Saturday and let themselves be purged after all.

So if the purge doesn’t come to pass, the discontented meetings have a decision to make: do they finally make good on their threats/promises, and go out on their own? The withdrawal option is readily available; they need nobody’s permission. An outline for a new YM was floated by one of them some months ago.

Or will they stay and continue the disruptive barrages, perhaps hoping that continued harassment and bullying will wear down the targeted meetings til they leave? Maybe set another Dilly-Dally Doomsday Deadline (or two)? Ignore the fact that the campaign of bullying and abusive behavior has been roundly denounced?

Or might their leaders decide to follow Jesus’ call in Mark 1:15 to “Repent!” that is, change their thinking and their mind, and decide to follow Jesus’ other command from John 13:35, by showing the world how Christians are supposed to act toward other Christians. (Hint: purges don’t fit.)

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A Message from John Wesley to Kevin Rollins (& others)

“Search me, O Lord, and prove me. Try out my reins and my heart! Look well if there be any way of “bigotry in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.”

In order to examine ourselves thoroughly, let the case be proposed in the strongest manner. What, if I were to see a Papist, an Arian, a Socinian [Unitarian; of Rollins argot, “liberal” or “progressive” Quakers] casting out devils?

If I did, I could not forbid even him, without convicting myself of bigotry. Yea, if it could be supposed that I should see a Jew, a Deist, or a Turk, doing the same, were I to forbid him either directly or indirectly, I should be no better than a bigot still.

O stand clear of this! But be not content with not forbidding any that casts out devils. It is well to go thus far; but do not stop here. If you will avoid all bigotry, go on. In every instance of this kind, whatever the instrument be, acknowledge the finger of God. And not only acknowledge, but rejoice in his work, and praise his name with thanksgiving. Encourage whomsoever God is pleased to employ, to give himself wholly up thereto.

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Is The End Near? The Carolina-Harold Camping Connection

After all this bluster, one thing is clear: these Harold Camping wannabes may be fooling somebody else, but they’re not fooling me, or many others anymore. All that talk of withholding funds, walking out, jumping ship, taking a hike, catching the Rapture Bus and all that has been so much hot air and yada yada.

And maybe this time the shouters will be met, not with shudders of terror and consternation, but the giggles and titters they richly deserve. Indeed, will anyone be bold enough to laugh in their faces? (I bet I could get odds on that in Vegas; but Faith & Practice is against gambling.)

Indeed, the vacuity of it all is so clear that this is a good time for a bit of an autopsy: What accounts for so much empty blather? Here are some possibilities:

1. Simple bullying: It seems evident some figured that at the loud threat of an exodus, YM officials would be so terrified they would hurriedly push all the targeted meetings out the door, like the king of Nineveh harking to the prophet Jonah, to placate the messengers of an angry Deity’s wrath. Certainly there’s been plenty self-righteous posturing and shamelessly abusive behavior. Or

2. Too much time spent looking in the mirror . . . .

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