Category Archives: Hard-Core Quaker

Breaking– Carolina Bombshell: Three NC Meetings Expelled! Will It Stand?

Already questions are being raised as to whether the Executive Committee was authorized to take such actions. There is nothing in the list of duties for the Committee in the YM Faith & Practice (p. 97-99) giving it such jurisdiction or authority.

New Garden and Poplar Ridge are the two largest meetings in NCYM. Holly Spring is also a sizable group.

Holly Spring and Poplar Ridge have been leaders in the efforts to divide or purge NCYM in the past year. As reported here in March, Poplar Ridge has prepared and circulated an outline & creed for a breakaway yearly meeting, with a strict evangelical character and an enforced creed.

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Showdown in Quaker Carolina? (Sort of)

The “Total Separation” group appears to include a number of meetings which have been discussing leaving the YM& forming their own body. Considering that non-split options were favored by more than half of the meetings, these results seem likely to keep that pot bubbling, but suggest it has limited appeal.

The “liberal” meetings, which had been targeted for a purge, seemed to fare better: the “status quo” Option Two fared well, and several meetings said explicitly that they would stoutly resist any outcome that authorized expulsions, especially for “heresy.”

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NCYM’s Future: Conversation With A Younger Friend

<< But I also want the full Gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ to be preached to the people in this world who are broken like me. I want to tell them where to find love, healing, and salvation like I found it. >>

So tell them. Has anybody busted into your church while you were preaching and made you shut up?

Didn’t think so. But if “preaching the full gospel” means getting rid of or silencing everybody whose views about that are different from yours, or those of your favorite preacher, well, then that’s a problem. Because it isn’t going to happen. (That’s also not the “full” gospel.)

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NC Quakers & “Options”: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly

Is there a future for North Carolina Yearly Meeting (FUM)?

When its Representative Body gathers on Saturday August 1, the formal agenda will focus in deciding among a series of options.

The Options list is long, and — who knows — may get longer in the next 24 hours. Further, besides the specific list now on tap, there is another one which isn’t there, but is, namely “None Of The Above.”

Indeed, that was the clear choice at the previous session on June 6, when three “options” were debated. After several hours, the Clerk himself declared there was nothing approaching a groundswell for any of them, no unity, no consensus.

Viewed with detachment, the finding of “no unity” was a perfectly workable outcome. Viewed theologically, from the traditional understanding that the divine will is disclosed in Quaker process, no unity is as clear a message as is unanimity for specific action. The message then is: Stop. Don’t make change. Wait.

There’s plenty of precedent in Quaker history for this: in Philadelphia, controversy over outlawing slavery took decades to resolve. Later, the move to permit paid pastors lasted many years, and is not universal even today. Numerous other examples could be cited.

For that matter, on June 6, the NCYM Faith & Practice was still in place; the YM office was functioning; member payments were coming in. There was no real deadline for decision; the doomsday predictions had not come to pass. The sky would not fall.

But this outcome was intolerable to those who had come to the session determined to purge and plunder. There had to be a decision, they insisted, presumably in time to be ratified somehow at the annual sessions, which are held the first weekend of September.

An account of this long, difficult session is here.

So the Clerk yielded and called a special Representative session for August 1.

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North Carolina Yearly Meeting: On The Brink

NCYM is NOT a “hopelessly divided YM.” Rather, it is a body that currently includes a handful of discontented meetings.

The spokespeople for the discontented meetings say that some other meetings, whose views they dislike, must be purged. Failing that, the discontented ones have vowed to leave . . . .

The targeted meetings, and several others, have declared that they intend to stay, and have rejected a purge. I don’t know the future, but I doubt the targeted meetings will suddenly just roll over on Saturday and let themselves be purged after all.

So if the purge doesn’t come to pass, the discontented meetings have a decision to make: do they finally make good on their threats/promises, and go out on their own? The withdrawal option is readily available; they need nobody’s permission. An outline for a new YM was floated by one of them some months ago.

Or will they stay and continue the disruptive barrages, perhaps hoping that continued harassment and bullying will wear down the targeted meetings til they leave? Maybe set another Dilly-Dally Doomsday Deadline (or two)? Ignore the fact that the campaign of bullying and abusive behavior has been roundly denounced?

Or might their leaders decide to follow Jesus’ call in Mark 1:15 to “Repent!” that is, change their thinking and their mind, and decide to follow Jesus’ other command from John 13:35, by showing the world how Christians are supposed to act toward other Christians. (Hint: purges don’t fit.)

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